I am guessing this will not see much play. Lightning is the weakest element, worse than fire now. I doubt Storm is going away.

Not effecting one figure makes it worse than fire? (I know it doesnt effect Bralani either, but id say that the large amount of double, triple, and even quad CWW bands that have been showing up would show that lightning isnt exactly weak)

When half of all qualifying bands are led by that figure, yes.
Also when your competition is another Snake dude that has near unlimited Snake Swiftness and a commander effect that gives 10 resist to all elemental damage, yes.

In addition to the already mentioned rays, the CWW is often paired with Storm, thereby being able to take advantage of her electricity healing, rather than being made irrelevant by it. Also the Cormyrean War Wizard costs considerably less than Guardian Naga.
The real question is, how much are Bluespawn Thunder/Stormlizards used? When we were given the promos at Gencon last year they seemed like an LE version of the Redspawns that were the primary component of half of the warbands at the championships, but once we saw the full Bloodwar set, Bluespawn were not so great after all.
None of the Guardian Naga's other abilities are that great either.

Bluespawn has alot of other issues including the biggest, a save 6. If there was a reliable way to get his MC up Id say hed get some use. Naga is also a commander and does have some nice other abilities to go with it. Im not saying its gonna rock the world, Im actually not sure on that yet. But I dont think a few storm bands is going to deter me from lightning. Sure it can heal her, but it can still fry all her buddies. (As someones whos played dancers vs CWWs, I can attest to how much they hate them)

I am guessing this will not see much play. Lightning is the weakest element, worse than fire now. I doubt Storm is going away.

Not effecting one figure makes it worse than fire? (I know it doesnt effect Bralani either, but id say that the large amount of double, triple, and even quad CWW bands that have been showing up would show that lightning isnt exactly weak)

When half of all qualifying bands are led by that figure, yes.
Also when your competition is another Snake dude that has near unlimited Snake Swiftness and a commander effect that gives 10 resist to all elemental damage, yes.

In addition to the already mentioned rays, the CWW is often paired with Storm, thereby being able to take advantage of her electricity healing, rather than being made irrelevant by it. Also the Cormyrean War Wizard costs considerably less than Guardian Naga.
The real question is, how much are Bluespawn Thunder/Stormlizards used? When we were given the promos at Gencon last year they seemed like an LE version of the Redspawns that were the primary component of half of the warbands at the championships, but once we saw the full Bloodwar set, Bluespawn were not so great after all.
None of the Guardian Naga's other abilities are that great either.

Bluespawn has alot of other issues including the biggest, a save 6. If there was a reliable way to get his MC up Id say hed get some use. Naga is also a commander and does have some nice other abilities to go with it. Im not saying its gonna rock the world, Im actually not sure on that yet. But I dont think a few storm bands is going to deter me from lightning. Sure it can heal her, but it can still fry all her buddies. (As someones whos played dancers vs CWWs, I can attest to how much they hate them)

Unless her buddies are Bralanis. There are a number of other figures, like Helmed Horrors, Mariliths, anyone paired with a Dragonmark or Couatl.
He is a commander 4 (sorta 5) in a faction where other (cheaper) commanders are commander 7.
He has a weak commander effect. It is very situational, the enemy might not care about the flanking. (And even Shadowdancers can be invisibled or just attack him directly.)
The CWW effectively does 30/15 damage with lightning bolt, enough to cause a morale save on a failed save by a shadowdancer. 20 damage will not cause a morale save.
Also the NOST band I have involving Bariaur Rangers will tear this guy up!

So you guys in GA have stats and things that you're not sharing? Any other stats you guys have that you could share? I mean I even checked DDMSpoilers and there's nothing out there other than what's been posted here, which is weird if a store has them and is selling them as you'd figure that would be leaked unless the people with the stats are holding onto that information.

No offense Jerry, but I can't for the life of me understand why I would post spoilers out here. I love Hordelings, but I have no idea how far I can go, and am not interested in trying to guess whether or not a certain spoiler is going to get me banned. I figure a more popular member of the community can post them, and I'll just play along.

You're right, I should be posting them at greyhaze's site, but there is such spoiler hostility these days, that I'd just a soon leave it alone. I had a busy weekend, and was under the weather for the most of it. I checked email once, that's the most that I spent online all weekend. Sorry. I know some more stats, but like I said, I'll let someone more popular post them for fear of reprisal.

I really think this Naga will see play in sealed as a premium, more than constructed. So much cost for the HP, and I don't think deathburst will scare off a pack of Doogs or Orcs from basing and obliterating this spellcaster.

Send me the spoilers, Sharn. Nobody's more popular than me! Right guys? Guys? Hello?

Send me the spoilers, Sharn. Nobody's more popular than me! Right guys? Guys? Hello?

Yeah... JQ is our spoiler front-man. Send them to him and he'll take the fall.

So you guys in GA have stats and things that you're not sharing? Any other stats you guys have that you could share? I mean I even checked DDMSpoilers and there's nothing out there other than what's been posted here, which is weird if a store has them and is selling them as you'd figure that would be leaked unless the people with the stats are holding onto that information.

No offense Jerry, but I can't for the life of me understand why I would post spoilers out here. I love Hordelings, but I have no idea how far I can go, and am not interested in trying to guess whether or not a certain spoiler is going to get me banned. I figure a more popular member of the community can post them, and I'll just play along.

You're right, I should be posting them at greyhaze's site, but there is such spoiler hostility these days, that I'd just a soon leave it alone. I had a busy weekend, and was under the weather for the most of it. I checked email once, that's the most that I spent online all weekend. Sorry. I know some more stats, but like I said, I'll let someone more popular post them for fear of reprisal.

I really think this Naga will see play in sealed as a premium, more than constructed. So much cost for the HP, and I don't think deathburst will scare off a pack of Doogs or Orcs from basing and obliterating this spellcaster.

Sharn I'm confused as to what this even means. Our spoiler policy isn't based on popularity. There just isn't a hard and fast rule. We mods generally discuss each spoiler individually. On any given moment there is generally at least 3 of us on IRC and we chat each spoiler over and what to do with it. We decided no to the original leak, but at this point when we are two weeks out (less now) to the pre-pre release at Game07, we decided that its time to let the gates open so to speak. Its based on a general gut feeling and discussion among the mods.

I don't care who posts it, we look at each one and decide on time until release, the size, and the methods that they were recieved. This new batch including the potential ones from the store in GA were given consideration and it was decided that at this point they stand, the sale went through.

I understand you had a long weekend and I'm sorry if you felt attacked or pressured here to post them. You can tell people are just chomping at the bit. I am also really sorry if you've gotten the impression that our spoiler policy is based on popularity. It seems some people are confused by it and I will spell it again here.

There isn't a hard and fast rule. Thats the policy. Its case by case.

Sharn, I really hate to feel that somehow your alienated from Hordelings. We had a great time chatting over dinner last year at Gencon and I look forward to seeing you again this year.

Edit: I will add that there has only ever been one person banned from Hordelings. ChaoticGood

I'm cool. I have a bad habit of lashing out in the wrong direction these days, due to some trying times in the office. I'm never sure what's right/wrong in these cases, so it's just easier to keep it close to my chest. I don't really think I could get banned for posting a spoiler, but why go to the trouble if it's going to get pulled?

I'm cool. I have a bad habit of lashing out in the wrong direction these days, due to some trying times in the office. I'm never sure what's right/wrong in these cases, so it's just easier to keep it close to my chest. I don't really think I could get banned for posting a spoiler, but why go to the trouble if it's going to get pulled?

Sharn- I understand completely. I'm just having trouble with some of the statements I've been seeing of late accusing the Hordelings mods of alot of things that aren't true. When we disallow a spoiler we get spit at, and then when it comes time and we allow it, I get 20 questions on why this one was allowed.

Not my day for posting it seems.

I love you...er, I mean we're good.

Large Gold Epic is 250. Thats all I got on that.

Note: Nobody has even been banned for posting a spoiler.

Further note: Nobody has yet been banned for not posting spoilers.

Sorry community I am very new to posting and not sure what is allowed or what you guys want to see, (I know when I see some spoiler pictures posted, there were allot of people upset.) But since my buddy Sharn mentioned them, here are some spoilers from some cards.

LE Dread Wraith 70pt
Level: 8 speed: F8 AC: 19 HP 70
Melee attack +14 (10 magic + con drain)
Type: Large Undead
Special Abilities: Incorporeal d, flight, Undead Traits
Constitution drain +5 ( whenever this creature’s melee attack deals damage to a living creature, the damaged creature must make a save, or it takes +5 damage that this creature gets +5 hp; DC 20)
Fearless
Melee Reach 2

Hey Logan. Thanks for posting the Dread Wraith.

CG Wild Mage 29pts
Level: 7 Speed 6 AC 14 HP 30
Melee Attack +3 (5)
Type Humanoid – human
Special Abilities
Wild magic Aura (whenever this creature or any creature within 2 squares cast a damaging spell roll 1d20 and adjust the spells damage as indicated)
1-5 no damage
6-10 Normal damage
11-18 damage +5
19-20 double damage
Wild magic surge (whenever this creature’s wild magic aura increases the damage dealt by a spell this creature gets +5hp
SORCERER SPELLS
4th [] Force wave (cone 10 damage and push effect larger or small creature 3 squares; DC 18
3rd[][] hailstones(sight 15 cold damage to target and 1 other enemy within 6 squares and line of site to target; dc15
2nd [] [] fire burst (each adjacent creature 15 fire damage, can cast while adjacent to enemy; dc14) Ice knife (sight; 10 cold damage, -2 AC)
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HAD TO GET THEM OFF YOUR BACK SHARN.

Dread wraith does almost no damage for a 70 point piece, but with fearless and incorporeal, it looks to me like a point denial piece.

I hate low hp spellcasters that have cones and adjacent spells. they are like tasty, free points for your opponent. Now, if the +5 hps stack, and can bring it over 30 (which I doubt), they might be able to get off 3 sight spells and get up to 45 hps before they are engaged. I'm not a big fan of cone spells for the most part, as you can't cast them when adjacent, so the effective range is really 5 or sometimes even 4. Even an LG beater can close that range That said, this could be a good piece, but I don't think it will get used a lot in constructed. Constructed players like certainty.

Dread wraith does almost no damage for a 70 point piece, but with fearless and incorporeal, it looks to me like a point denial piece.
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YEAH BUT WHO WANTS TO SPEND 70 POINTS FOR DENIAL, HMMMM, I GREAT PULL OF SEALED OTHER THAN THAT ENJOY IT FOR RPG, OR JUST FINSIH YOUR COLLECTION

I agree. It looks like another overcosted LE RPG piece to me. I continue to think I'll buy less and less boosters and cases as time goes on.

I dont know, I think the wild mage could see some play. And if that card is verbatim then it appears it can go over max on HP...

LE Dread Wraith 70pt
Level: 8 speed: F8 AC: 19 HP 70
Melee attack +14 (10 magic + con drain)
Type: Large Undead
Special Abilities: Incorporeal d, flight, Undead Traits
Constitution drain +5 ( whenever this creature’s melee attack deals damage to a living creature, the damaged creature must make a save, or it takes +5 damage that this creature gets +5 hp; DC 20)
Fearless
Melee Reach 2

Dear God... it SUCKS. Up to 15 damage with a 5 point heal? 70 hps? Yeah, it'll be hard to take down due to incorporeal, but it will also be nearly useless, meaning that the enemy can tackle your other 130 points with their 200 points of mostly effective warband while paying little attention to the 10-15 damage this guy can deal. THe phrasing on constitution drain is a bit odd... are we sure this is the actual card text?

CG Wild Mage 29pts
Level: 7 Speed 6 AC 14 HP 30
Melee Attack +3 (5)
Type Humanoid – human
Special Abilities
Wild magic Aura (whenever this creature or any creature within 2 squares cast a damaging spell roll 1d20 and adjust the spells damage as indicated)
1-5 no damage
6-10 Normal damage
11-18 damage +5
19-20 double damage
Wild magic surge (whenever this creature’s wild magic aura increases the damage dealt by a spell this creature gets +5hp
SORCERER SPELLS
4th [] Force wave (cone 10 damage and push effect larger or small creature 3 squares; DC 18
3rd[][] hailstones(sight 15 cold damage to target and 1 other enemy within 6 squares and line of site to target; dc15
2nd [] [] fire burst (each adjacent creature 15 fire damage, can cast while adjacent to enemy; dc14) Ice knife (sight; 10 cold damage, -2 AC)

Hmmmm... 29 points. The risk of no damage is an odd risk, but the net result in spell efficiency is interesting. I'll certainly try this guy out with an Elf Warmage just to see how a 60 point cone of fire or a 60 point grasp might feel... I wonder how this guy will interact with the additional damage from a sudden empower or a the CWW's Phalanx Spellcasting. Oh, and I'll definitely try an epic warband with Epic Elminster to try to get off a 120 point disintegrate or two...

However, for limited, I'm not sure if we'd make the cut for a warband most of the time. Forcewave on Frostfell Rift or Drow Outpost could be terrifying - and it could be useful on non-pit maps to separate enemies from allies, but the risk of dealing no damage is pretty significant. I'd rather have a durable beater than this guy that must move in pretty close to reach full effectiveness. I'd certainly favor Raistlin over him...