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#1. DDM cross promoting with Heroscape? by zhentil

Well today I found that Heroscape and DDM have finally merged. I don't know if anyone else has seen this but it's true. You can find it at MinatureMarket and from what I can see you will get the Large Black Dragon and the Troll King so yeah. I wonder if this is going to be the full pursuit of mergin these two lines. I mean the probably have a lot of figs that they could repaint and repackage just for the heroscape line to raise their profits. Just wondering what everyone thinks about this and DDM.

Last edited Jan 21, 2010 5:04 am by zhentil (sounds better)

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#2. Re: Well it's True DDM mergin with Heroscape by soularm

I think that is too early yet to conclude that DDM and heroscape is merging. We've not enough infos unless you have some infos I'm not aware yet.

IIRC, Heroescape miniatures are not on the same scale.

Last edited Jan 15, 2010 8:45 am by soularm

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#3. Re: Well it's True DDM mergin with Heroscape by zhentil

But look at the box. It does look like our old DDM figures. Have you looked at the new Heroscape and miniature market. Look at it and give me your opinion. NOT YELLING, i really would like to get yours and others point of view on this one.

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#4. Re: Well it's True DDM mergin with Heroscape by Fenris

Sorry, there's no link, so I dunno exactly what the news is here. They announced a while back that they're doing a heroscape set using some old minis sculpts, in fact they had them on display last August at Gencon. What's new since then?

Also since the skirmish game (which is what I mean when I say DDM, not sure if you mean miniatures more broadly when you use the term) is now licensed out to the Guild, and WotC isn't making any more stats on their own, I don't really know what you mean when you say "merging."

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#5. Re: Well it's True DDM mergin with Heroscape by Tundrin

Maybe you really meant absorb - since heroscape is going to keep going.

Using absorb(or how I think you meant merge) you are implying the discontinuation of regular plastic minis (no base) in boosters and I think that would create quite an uproar from RPGers - the very people who wotc said made up 80-90% of their minis customers, and who they were trying to placate with visible packaging (as opposed to us Skirmishers).

So please only use the wording "its true" when there is a press release from wotc clearly stating something. DnD in Heroscape has been known for a while as fenris mentioned above. If wotc can make more money by reusing molds, great - then I hope they are more inclinded to continue to make new molds!

Last edited Jan 15, 2010 10:57 am by Tundrin

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#6. Re: Well it's True DDM mergin with Heroscape by zhentil

Okay I maybe jumped the gun, I was looking at MinatureMarket.com, and I saw the new Heroscape set and I just kinda was worried. I remember now what Fenris said so sorry about that just getting crazy i guess.

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#7. Re: Well it's True DDM mergin with Heroscape by thekk

Perhaps you can edit the title of your post to reflect your new insight? That makes people less 'itchy'.

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#8. Re: Well it's True DDM mergin with Heroscape by DROW

just got my box today. this is really neat. :)

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#9. Re: Well it's True DDM mergin with Heroscape by warchanter, responding to soularmGo to post


soularm said:
IIRC, Heroescape miniatures are not on the same scale.

Neither DDM miniatures are in scale with themselves, so...

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#10. Re: Well it's True DDM mergin with Heroscape by bonelock, responding to DROWGo to post


DROW said:
just got my box today. this is really neat. :)

Cool. What's in the box? Any repaints? Sorry for asking if this is old news.

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#11. Re: Well it's True DDM mergin with Heroscape by whatsnext

in my opinion

DDM will be DDM and heroscape will be heroscape.

this is just a company trying to expand a line that is successful/profitable making it more so($$$).

How many peple are now talking about heroscape since it has incorparated their present interest. How many have bought into something they previously didnt think much about?

are DDMinis collectors now going to start collecting heroscape?

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#12. Re: Well it's True DDM mergin with Heroscape by Zaukrie

This is a company trying to save money and re-using existing sculpts and paint jobs. The terrain included is also re-painted from other HS sets. It makes perfect sense, really (except there are some great HS concepts and I’d like to see them keep making Marro….but w/o the modern weapons).

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#13. Re: Well it's True DDM mergin with Heroscape by DROW, responding to bonelockGo to post


bonelock said:

DROW said:
just got my box today. this is really neat. :)

Cool. What's in the box? Any repaints? Sorry for asking if this is old news.

whatz itz gotz in itz nasty lil pocketz?

well,the first thing i noticed,is it has some cool rock tiles. these will work well for underdark games.(i like.)next we have some water tiles.(these are neat-o too.)now for the minis...troll and LBD are here. aswell as the cleric of sune,dwarf warsword,human fighter,and eladrin pyromancer. now on to the DROW...we have the wand expert,enforcer,spiderbound warrior,and spiderguard. it saddens me to inform you all that no repaints are present in this set. oh poo! :( but this is worth every copper piece of the asking price IMO. :) one more thing. a sticker on the box says. "visit PLAYDND.COM for a NEW scenario!"

cheers!

Last edited Jan 18, 2010 8:42 pm by DROW

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#14. Re: DDM mergin with Heroscape? by dukethepcdr

Well, yeah, maybe "merged" isn't the right word after all. The more I read about what's going on with DDM and the Guild and what I read on Heroscape sites, I'd say the two are far from 'merging' into one game. I don't think either fan base wants to see that happen (from what I've read on the message boards anyway).

What I do see, is an opportunity for cross-promotion. "New" games like Heroscape, Star Wars Minis, WOW Minis etc are great in that they reinvigorate the table-top strategy games market. They get the new kids who have probably been focused on just video games up to this point to stop and say 'hey what's this cool new game I keep hearing about? Maybe I should check it out'. Then, while they are getting into these games, we DDM gamers can say 'Yeah those new strategy games are pretty cool, but how would you like to have just as much fast-paced fun as your having with Star Wars Minis (or whatever game the kid has gotten into), but in the deeper, richer, more fully realized worlds of D&D?' Then show them how the different variants of DDM work, how they can use D&D minis in them, how the game can be used in different D&D settings etc. You know, show them that D&D doesn't have to be the slow-paced, drama-heavy but action-light game of sitting around arguing over everything it has a bad reputation for being with a lot of the younger gamers. I've talked (both online and in person) to a lot of people my age and younger and one of the main reasons why they say they are giving other table-top games a try instead of D&D is for that very perception I just mentioned. That D&D stereotype isn't true in most cases, but let's face it, perception gets in the way of the facts pretty easily.

I got the new Heroscape D&D Master Set a few days ago. I am actually impressed with the set overall. The minis are well made. I've got a Black Dragon now and some more Drow to add to my sets. Sure, the minis don't have the same black round bases with the info printed on the bottom. We don't really use that info in DDM much anyway other than to verify that we are using the right mini with the right card. I fixed the issue in a matter of minutes by writing on the bottom of these Heroscape minis with a fine sharpie pen. Now their bases are labled :).

I've found DDM stat cards on the DDM Guild website that will work for each mini in the set. I just wrote on the back of each of these stat cards that they go with the D&D Heroscape minis and what the Heroscape book calls the mini to help with cross referencing.

I've also started making Heroscape cards for some of my current D&D minis. I've been using the same stats as they have on the DDMGuild cards as much as possible, then adapting stats from other Heroscape characters of similar ability (archers, rangers, meat shields etc) and doing my best to keep each creature balanced. I'm using a template from www.heroscapeisfoundhere.com. The part that puts pictures on the card doesn't work yet, but the rest does. They look kinda neat when you print them out.

The main differences I see between DDM and Heroscape are the grid maps vs the hex maps (and the different movement options that go along with having hex maps that can also have elevations); the different mechanic for resolving battles (HS involves more dice but the math is a bit easier to figure); and the stats on the cards which look different, but wind up representing the same concepts: attack power, chance of hitting, defense ability etc.

Visually, it's an interesting contrast. The Heroscape cards are unique-looking and very colorful while the DDM cards are your basic CCG cards (I still like the DDMGuild cards just fine though). Meanwhile, the maps for DDM are colorful and beautifully made (both the published ones and some of the hand-made ones I've seen) while the Heroscape maps are rather drab looking by comparison. The fan-made Waterscape tiles I downloaded and printed off make the water look better though (also adds bridges, whirlpools, rapids etc). I like that the Hero Scape maps are modular, but then so are the D&D map tile sets. The Heroscape tiles are stackable to make elevated terrain though which brings a new dimension to the strategy.

For our chapter, we're going to experiment with playing some sessions using the DDM rules and other sessions using the Heroscape rules. We might even try blending the two rule sets together and see what happens there. I don't see why pretty much any D&D scenario, dungeon delve, campaign etc. couldn't be played with DDM and/or Heroscape encounter rules for movement and combat.

We've got a meeting coming up on January 21st at Action Comics and Sports in Las Vegas. I'll let you know how our experiments go.

At this point, I agree with those who say 'any new D&D sets are good or at least better than no new sets'. I like playing with all the old minis, maps etc. just fine, but I know that there are gamers out there who are always looking for what's new and what's coming up next. If a game doesn't have anything new to offer them, they start thinking its "dying" or "old news" or something.

DDM Guild is great! We need to do a better job of letting everybody know that they can indeed get new stuff from the Guild and that the death of DDM has been greatly exaggerated: that it is in fact alive and growing. There has been an upsurge, it seems to me, in interest in table-top games lately, so we need to make sure that the people who are getting interested in this kind of gaming for maybe the first time (or coming back to it) know about DDM Guild.

I wish I could come to D&D Experience in Fort Wayne, Indiana! Haven't got the travel budget for it right now though. Hopefully, next year I can.

Last edited Jan 19, 2010 1:48 pm by dukethepcdr (Forgot to mention a few things like some of the similarities and differences between DDM and Heroscape D&D.)

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#15. Re: DDM mergin with Heroscape? by DROW

star wars,transformers,and g.i joe heroscape coming soon?? ;)

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#16. by zhentil

Well it does seem like cross promoting rather than merging. And yes I bet we will see StarWars and G.I.Joe sets in the future. I got my box yesterday and yes I am impressed with it. My friends who really have gotten out of D&D got that old feeling again. So maybe it is a good thing after all.

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#17. by CollectorDave

I saw a few of the figures too and they are obviously the same but still look good. I got that old feeling too. Turns out it was just gas.

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#18. by dukethepcdr

Our chapter is experimenting with mixing DDM and Heroscape D&D and it's working out pretty well. We demoed it at Action Comics and Sports in Las Vegas yesterday. It got our group some attention! The shop owners were glad to see it as they have started carrying Heroscape in addition to their already large selection of D&D minis sets and maps. Players liked the idea of using the Heroscape tiles to create terrain on existing D&D maps. It adds another layer of strategy to the game when you have to take elevation into account. We also like the Heroscape movement rules for water, quicksand and other difficult terrain. With these rules, for example, you can use a river or lake to more of your strategic advantage as a way to slow down your opponent's creatures.

It's taken a bit to get used to HS's system of rolling different numbers of dice for attack and defense depending on what your creature's card says, but we like it. It's a more visual way to represent the ability of the creature to deal out damage or to avoid getting injured. You still use the D20 in cases where the creature has some ability to do additional damage and/or affect the movement of an enemy. Different rolls of the D20 let you know if the power worked or not. It's also used to roll for initiative.

Our chapter will keep on playing official DDM Guild games for sure, but we'll also play Heroscape games as well. Incorporating different elements of the Heroscape game into DDM games is proving to be interesting as well.

I hear that they are releasing a booster set called Champions of the Forgotten Realms later on this summer for Heroscape. If so, I hope they put versions of the more rare creatures from that game setting in it. I still can't find a Drizzt mini without resorting to buying it separately off some website, for example.

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#19. by Dagaron

Well now, all we need to do is restat all of the D&D miniatures into the Heroscape ruleset!


Let the restats begin!

...again.

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#20. by Tried, responding to DagaronGo to post


Dagaron said:
Well now, all we need to do is restat all of the D&D miniatures into the Heroscape ruleset!


Let the restats begin!
...again.

I wonder if, with the cancellation of the PHH3 set, we could stat certain of the HQ minis for DDM.

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