This power from the aspect:
Rotting Touch: Whenever this creature would deal
ongoing damage to a creature already taking ongoing
damage, instead increase that creature’s ongoing
damage by 5.

Now what i want to know is divided in 3 issues:

1) Demogorgon hits the same creature 4 times in a round:
m Tentacle Rake: +23 vs AC; 10 Damage AND
ongoing 5 necrotic Damage (save ends)

Now the question: the affected creature will have it´s ongoing damage raised to 10 or to 20?

2) Also at my look this seems to affect even ongoing given by different creatures. So looking at battle rules i see:

Different Types Stack: If a creature has multiple ongoing damage effects that deal different types of damage, it takes damage from all of them at the start of its turn.

Now the question:
If i hit a creature who alredy are taking damage from an friedly ongoing sorce, i´ll increase this damage also?

bellow are a hipotic example:

a enemy are suffer from:
R Serpent Arrow: (sight) +14 vs AC; 15 Damage AND ongoing 5 poison Damage.

And from:
R Acid Thorns: (range 10) +18 vs DEF (Ref ); 10
Damage AND Slowed AND ongoing 5 acid Damage
(save ends both)

If Demogorgon hits this enemy with 2 attacks, how many ongoing damage the creature take?

a) 5 poison +10 from demogorgon AND 5 acid +10 from demogornog AND +10 from demogorgon

or

b) 5 poison + 5 from demogorgon AND 5 acid +5 from demogorgon AND +10 from demogorgon

or

c) 5 poison + 5 acid + 10 from demogorgon.

And Finally the last one: 3) The demogorgon will aply its natural damage (10 damage and +5 ongoing) or will only add the ongoing damage losing the 10 natural damage?

The answer will for sure take demogorgon for a worthy titan or uselles one.

Let´s see what you think.

papa said:
This power from the aspect:
Rotting Touch: Whenever this creature would deal
ongoing damage to a creature already taking ongoing
damage, instead increase that creature’s ongoing
damage by 5.

Now what i want to know is divided in 3 issues:

1) Demogorgon hits the same creature 4 times in a round:
m Tentacle Rake: +23 vs AC; 10 Damage AND
ongoing 5 necrotic Damage (save ends)

Now the question: the affected creature will have it´s ongoing damage raised to 10 or to 20?

After 4 attacks the creature would have 20 ongoing necrotic damage. The results from the attacks are:

1st attack: 10 dam and 5 ong necrotic dam
2nd attack: 10 dam and ongoing dam increases to 10 ong necrotic dam
3rd attack: 10 dam and ongoing dam increases to 15 ong necrotic dam
4th attack: 10 dam and ongoing dam increases to 20 ong necrotic dam

So after 4 attacks you dealt a total of 40 dam and the creature has ong 20 necrotic dam.

2) Also at my look this seems to affect even ongoing given by different creatures. So looking at battle rules i see:

Different Types Stack: If a creature has multiple ongoing damage effects that deal different types of damage, it takes damage from all of them at the start of its turn.

Now the question:
If i hit a creature who alredy are taking damage from an friedly ongoing sorce, i´ll increase this damage also?

bellow are a hipotic example:

a enemy are suffer from:
R Serpent Arrow: (sight) +14 vs AC; 15 Damage AND ongoing 5 poison Damage.

And from:
R Acid Thorns: (range 10) +18 vs DEF (Ref ); 10
Damage AND Slowed AND ongoing 5 acid Damage
(save ends both)

If Demogorgon hits this enemy with 2 attacks, how many ongoing damage the creature take?

a) 5 poison +10 from demogorgon AND 5 acid +10 from demogornog AND +10 from demogorgon

b) 5 poison + 5 from demogorgon AND 5 acid +5 from demogorgon AND +10 from demogorgon

c) 5 poison + 5 acid + 10 from demogorgon.

None of the above. In all cases Demogorgon won't add any ong necrotic dam, but instead increases the ongoing dam the creature is already taking by 5.

But I'm not sure if the increase from 'Rotting Touch' would be applied to all ongoing damages or if you have to choose one of them. In this case either acid or poison.

If you have to choose between them you can either have after two attacks:
A) 10 ong poison and 10 ong acid
B) 15 ong poison and 5 ong acid
C) 5 ong poison and 15 ong acid

If the 'Rotting Touch' increase applies to all ongoing damages, then the creature would have 15 ong poison and 15 ong acid after two attacks.

And Finally the last one: 3) The demogorgon will aply its natural damage (10 damage and +5 ongoing) or will only add the ongoing damage losing the 10 natural damage?

Since the ongoing dam is an additional condition, it is applied serially. So you'll only use the 'Rotting Touch' special power after applying the 10 base damage.

Miniatorix said:

papa said:
This power from the aspect:
Rotting Touch: Whenever this creature would deal
ongoing damage to a creature already taking ongoing
damage, instead increase that creature’s ongoing
damage by 5.

Now what i want to know is divided in 3 issues:

1) Demogorgon hits the same creature 4 times in a round:
m Tentacle Rake: +23 vs AC; 10 Damage AND
ongoing 5 necrotic Damage (save ends)

Now the question: the affected creature will have it´s ongoing damage raised to 10 or to 20?

After 4 attacks the creature would have 20 ongoing necrotic damage. The results from the attacks are:

1st attack: 10 dam and 5 ong necrotic dam
2nd attack: 10 dam and ongoing dam increases to 10 ong necrotic dam
3rd attack: 10 dam and ongoing dam increases to 15 ong necrotic dam
4th attack: 10 dam and ongoing dam increases to 20 ong necrotic dam

So after 4 attacks you dealt a total of 40 dam and the creature has ong 20 necrotic dam.

I agree with Miniatorix[/quote]

2) Also at my look this seems to affect even ongoing given by different creatures. So looking at battle rules i see:

Different Types Stack: If a creature has multiple ongoing damage effects that deal different types of damage, it takes damage from all of them at the start of its turn.

Now the question:
If i hit a creature who alredy are taking damage from an friedly ongoing sorce, i´ll increase this damage also?

bellow are a hipotic example:

a enemy are suffer from:
R Serpent Arrow: (sight) +14 vs AC; 15 Damage AND ongoing 5 poison Damage.

And from:
R Acid Thorns: (range 10) +18 vs DEF (Ref ); 10
Damage AND Slowed AND ongoing 5 acid Damage
(save ends both)

If Demogorgon hits this enemy with 2 attacks, how many ongoing damage the creature take?

a) 5 poison +10 from demogorgon AND 5 acid +10 from demogornog AND +10 from demogorgon

b) 5 poison + 5 from demogorgon AND 5 acid +5 from demogorgon AND +10 from demogorgon

c) 5 poison + 5 acid + 10 from demogorgon.

None of the above. In all cases Demogorgon won't add any ong necrotic dam, but instead increases the ongoing dam the creature is already taking by 5.

But I'm not sure if the increase from 'Rotting Touch' would be applied to all ongoing damages or if you have to choose one of them. In this case either acid or poison.

If you have to choose between them you can either have after two attacks:
A) 10 ong poison and 10 ong acid
B) 15 ong poison and 5 ong acid
C) 5 ong poison and 15 ong acid

If the 'Rotting Touch' increase applies to all ongoing damages, then the creature would have 15 ong poison and 15 ong acid after two attacks.[/quote]I don't think there is any "choosing" to be done. The power is clear that instead of doing ongoing damage you increase the ongoing damage a creature is taking. If the creature was taking ongoing damage from two sources, then both would be increased by +5.

In case you were thinking this would be a way to get ongoing damage higher than a creatures resistance, I will remind you that a creature with resist x {type} can not even gain ongoing damage of {type} for less than x. Check your rulebook page 12 (pg 14 of PDF).

And Finally the last one: 3) The demogorgon will aply its natural damage (10 damage and +5 ongoing) or will only add the ongoing damage losing the 10 natural damage?

Since the ongoing dam is an additional condition, it is applied serially. So you'll only use the 'Rotting Touch' special power after applying the 10 base damage.

[/quote]Not quite sure what you are saying papa, are you asking if the ongoing damage is not applied, because you increased the ongoing damage already being applied, does the 10 damage also not take place? If that is what you are asking, the answer is no as Miniatorix said. You will always do the 10 damage (unless you hit someone with Resist 10 All).

Miniatorix said:

papa said:
This power from the aspect:
Rotting Touch: Whenever this creature would deal
ongoing damage to a creature already taking ongoing
damage, instead increase that creature’s ongoing
damage by 5.

Now what i want to know is divided in 3 issues:

1) Demogorgon hits the same creature 4 times in a round:
m Tentacle Rake: +23 vs AC; 10 Damage AND
ongoing 5 necrotic Damage (save ends)

Now the question: the affected creature will have it´s ongoing damage raised to 10 or to 20?

After 4 attacks the creature would have 20 ongoing necrotic damage. The results from the attacks are:

1st attack: 10 dam and 5 ong necrotic dam
2nd attack: 10 dam and ongoing dam increases to 10 ong necrotic dam
3rd attack: 10 dam and ongoing dam increases to 15 ong necrotic dam
4th attack: 10 dam and ongoing dam increases to 20 ong necrotic dam

So after 4 attacks you dealt a total of 40 dam and the creature has ong 20 necrotic dam.

Good, is what i think too.

2) Also at my look this seems to affect even ongoing given by different creatures. So looking at battle rules i see:

Different Types Stack: If a creature has multiple ongoing damage effects that deal different types of damage, it takes damage from all of them at the start of its turn.

Now the question:
If i hit a creature who alredy are taking damage from an friedly ongoing sorce, i´ll increase this damage also?

bellow are a hipotic example:

a enemy are suffer from:
R Serpent Arrow: (sight) +14 vs AC; 15 Damage AND ongoing 5 poison Damage.

And from:
R Acid Thorns: (range 10) +18 vs DEF (Ref ); 10
Damage AND Slowed AND ongoing 5 acid Damage
(save ends both)

If Demogorgon hits this enemy with 2 attacks, how many ongoing damage the creature take?

a) 5 poison +10 from demogorgon AND 5 acid +10 from demogornog AND +10 from demogorgon

b) 5 poison + 5 from demogorgon AND 5 acid +5 from demogorgon AND +10 from demogorgon

c) 5 poison + 5 acid + 10 from demogorgon.

None of the above. In all cases Demogorgon won't add any ong necrotic dam, but instead increases the ongoing dam the creature is already taking by 5.

But I'm not sure if the increase from 'Rotting Touch' would be applied to all ongoing damages or if you have to choose one of them. In this case either acid or poison.

If you have to choose between them you can either have after two attacks:
A) 10 ong poison and 10 ong acid
B) 15 ong poison and 5 ong acid
C) 5 ong poison and 15 ong acid

If the 'Rotting Touch' increase applies to all ongoing damages, then the creature would have 15 ong poison and 15 ong acid after two attacks.

In true when i wrote the 5 poison +10 damage, i´m not intend to say that this one will be diferent type, but yes, the way i wrote is not good enough.

At end your answers go the way i want.

Did the "Rottin Touch" are limited to one kind of on going. I believe not, at last not at the way is written, not sure about designers itention.

So at example above i´m inclined to say that is was:
15 poison + 15 acid +10 necotic.

Very impressive if was true, specialy consider the thoug that ong dmg cannot be reduced with insbstancial.

And Finally the last one: 3) The demogorgon will aply its natural damage (10 damage and +5 ongoing) or will only add the ongoing damage losing the 10 natural damage?

Since the ongoing dam is an additional condition, it is applied serially. So you'll only use the 'Rotting Touch' special power after applying the 10 base damage.

Here, i thinking different, however i´m in favor with your opinion.

I suck at rules stuff admittedly, but I don't see the Word Necrotic in the ability.

"Rotting Touch: Whenever this creature would deal
ongoing damage to a creature already taking ongoing
damage, instead increase that creature’s ongoing
damage by 5."

Maybe I'm weird, but that totally looks like it says "instead of adding your own Ongoing Damage, feel free to pump up another Ongoing Damage that's already happening." As written, it totally looks (again, opinion) like this could be used to pump ongoing poison, acid, whatever since the ability would say Necrotic otherwise. (I think.) Not that you'd necessarily want to do that unless the target had necrotic resistance. Different types stack so ongoing 5 acid should make a new friend of 5 necrotic, instead of swallowing him. More saves means more damage over time...blah blah blah.

By the by, good job Guild for getting my Brain in the right place with the new cards. When I first looked at the Demogorgon Card I was surprised to see he didn't have Reach. (He does, but it's written in the old way) Weird, how some of the new design stuff sinks in deeper than you thought

OhGodtheRats said:
I suck at rules stuff admittedly, but I don't see the Word Necrotic in the ability.

"Rotting Touch: Whenever this creature would deal
ongoing damage to a creature already taking ongoing
damage, instead increase that creature’s ongoing
damage by 5."

The damage from Demogorgon's attack is 10 AND ongoing 5 Necrotic damage. But then Rotting Touch would kick in and increase the ongoing poison or acid or whatever.

papa said:

So at example above i´m inclined to say that is was:
15 poison + 15 acid +10 necotic.

In my opinion the creature doesn't get the ong necrotic damage from Demogorgon. The special powers says that: whenever this creature would deal ongoing damage to a creature already taking ongoing damage, instead increase that creature's ongoing damage by 5.

So when Demogorgon would deal the ong necrotic damage to a creature, you check if that creature already has any ongoing damage. If it has any ongoing damage, you increase that instead of adding the ongoing necrotic damage. Since it says instead, you don't get both the increase in ongoing damage and the ongoing necrotic damage.

Miniatorix said:

papa said:

So at example above i´m inclined to say that is was:
15 poison + 15 acid +10 necotic.

In my opinion the creature doesn't get the ong necrotic damage from Demogorgon. The special powers says that: whenever this creature would deal ongoing damage to a creature already taking ongoing damage, instead increase that creature's ongoing damage by 5.

So when Demogorgon would deal the ong necrotic damage to a creature, you check if that creature already has any ongoing damage. If it has any ongoing damage, you increase that instead of adding the ongoing necrotic damage. Since it says instead, you don't get both the increase in ongoing damage and the ongoing necrotic damage.

got it.
a litle nerf at my thoughts but a balaced one.

So in this case, still will be good to demogorgon increase the others ongoing damage, instead of itself.

The final word about the ongoig of the example above then will be 15 poison + 15 acid.

But, however if i really want to be bad in a game and having in mind that he have multi activation and that snaketongue cultist are his best friend, he will can make one attack of itself to add the ong necrotic of its own, and after it, start making "Rotting Touch" at the 3 types.

Anyway, Demogorgon worth it´s cost.

I think he's a little techy for a titan but he can make up his cost pretty quickly with support.